<html><body><span style="font-family:Verdana; color:#000; font-size:10pt;"><div>OMG!!! Jed trying to sound altruistic!!!</div><div><br></div><div>D. Blair Clark<br>LAW OFFICES OF D. BLAIR CLARK PLLC<br>1513 Tyrell Lane, Suite 130<br>Boise, ID 83706<br>(208) 475-2050 Phone<br>(208) 475-2055 Fax</div><div><br><br></div>
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Subject: Re: [CLBS] Mechanics lien reduced to judgment<br>
From: Jed Manwaring <<a href="mailto:jmanwaring@evanskeane.com">jmanwaring@evanskeane.com</a>><br>
Date: Thu, October 29, 2015 10:23 am<br>
To: 'Bankruptcy list' <<a href="mailto:CLBS@admws.idaho.gov">CLBS@admws.idaho.gov</a>><br>
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Blair, Randy, & Howard - we are trying to prosper your business. Let He/She who desires a "fresh start," seek out professional services to obtain society's gift to all, the Bankruptcy Discharge. Otherwise, renew, collect, & satisfy In perpetuity.<br>
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From: D. Blair Clark [<a href="mailto:dbc@dbclarklaw.com">mailto:dbc@dbclarklaw.com</a>] <br>
Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 5:34 PM<br>
To: Jed Manwaring; 'Bankruptcy list'; Bart Davis<br>
Subject: RE: [CLBS] Mechanics lien reduced to judgment<br>
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While we're at it, there's one other clarification we should make, IMHO.<br>
HOW MANY RENEWALS OF A JUDGMENT CAN ONE GET? I was always taught in law school and after I started practice that a judgment was good for 5 at the start + 5 on the renewal. Then I found that several judges and lawyers were getting renewals AGAIN, so it could go indefinitely. While Jed thinks we need longer judgments, I'm in the camp that thinks that a debtor should have a cutoff date. 10 + 10 is 20. That should be enough, not 30 or 40. Just my two cents.<br>
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From: CLBS [<a href="mailto:clbs-bounces@admws.idaho.gov">mailto:clbs-bounces@admws.idaho.gov</a>] On Behalf Of Jed Manwaring<br>
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Subject: Re: [CLBS] Mechanics lien reduced to judgment<br>
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I rec'd this from our very own Senate Majority Leader, Bart Davis, with authority to retweet and do so here in blood red:<br>
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"I've printed this string. I'll run a bill next year to clean up the remaining 5 year language. If there are other 5-year sections that should be changed to 10 years, let me know.<br>
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As to my legislative intent, it was that judgments that existed prior to July 1, 2015 will have a life of 5 years. The policy being, that the debtor, creditor, and those hiding in the weeds all thought it was a 5 year judgment. So, that is preserved - risks, benefits, and burdens. Any renewal of that judgment or a new judgment issued on or after July 1, 2015 will have a life for 10 years." Bart Davis<br>
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A big thank you to Bart. We did need longer judgments.<br>
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From: CLBS [<a href="mailto:clbs-bounces@admws.idaho.gov">mailto:clbs-bounces@admws.idaho.gov</a>] On Behalf Of Jed Manwaring<br>
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Subject: Re: [CLBS] Mechanics lien reduced to judgment<br>
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Sounds like a problem to me. IC 10-1110 says: "The lien resulting from recording of a judgment other than . . . , continues ten (10) years from the date of the judgment . . . ." IC 10-1111 says: "The renewed judgment may be recorded in the same manner as the original judgment, and the lien established thereby shall continue for five (5) years from the date of judgment." Creates great confusion between the 5 and 10 year duration. So first original lien is good for 10 years but after it is renewed it is only good for 5 years? What was our legislature thinking? BART?<br>
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Subject: RE: [CLBS] Mechanics lien reduced to judgment<br>
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Another good question, which (I think) is answered by I.C. 10-1111. As I read it, any original judgment (whether it's an old 5-year expiration, or a new 10-year expiration) is subject to a 5-year renewal period, unless it's for child support, in which case the renewal period is 10 years.<br>
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Subject: Re: [CLBS] Mechanics lien reduced to judgment<br>
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Can we assume that once a pre 7/1/15 judgment has been renewed after 7/1/15, that its judgment lien is good for 10 years? Or does it keep its pre 7/1/15 flavor?<br>
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Sent: Wednesday, October 28, 2015 3:54 PM<br>
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To: 'Ryan Farnsworth'; 'Bankruptcy list'<br>
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Subject: RE: [CLBS] Mechanics lien reduced to judgment<br>
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I stand corrected by Jeff & Matt & Sheila-<br>
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Typically, the judgment would have also included foreclosure of the lien with a sheriff's sale of the liened property and the lienholder's right to credit bid in. To the extend there is an unpaid portion of the judgment left it would be treated in the law like any other judgment i.e. a lien on any other of Debtor's real property in the county where it is recorded and has to be renewed every 5 years if entered b/f July 1, 2015, and every 10 years if after July 1, 2015. Or, if after 5 yrs but before 6 years one can sue on the judgment to renew.<br>
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From: CLBS [<a href="mailto:clbs-bounces@admws.idaho.gov">mailto:clbs-bounces@admws.idaho.gov</a>] On Behalf Of Ryan Farnsworth<br>
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Subject: [CLBS] Mechanics lien reduced to judgment<br>
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Does a mechanics lien which has been reduced to a judgment and recorded as a judgment lien lose the statutory quality as a mechanics lien?<br>
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In other words, can it be avoided if turned into a judgment?<br>
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