From Cheryl.Hinson at admin.sc.gov  Mon Apr  3 10:57:51 2023
From: Cheryl.Hinson at admin.sc.gov (Hinson, Cheryl)
Date: Mon, 3 Apr 2023 16:57:51 +0000
Subject: [NCASG] Attorney Series - Salary Survey Request
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Good afternoon Amanda,

Here is the link to our attorney classifications. The salary range for each is at the bottom of the class specification.

State Job Classifications | Department of Administration - State of South Carolina (sc.gov)<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/jIOuCXDlX5Sj3PR3i6CZWc?domain=admin.sc.gov>

See the data for AE10-AE60 below.

Thank you,

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Cheryl Hinson, SPHR, SHRM-SCP
Classification & Compensation Manager, Division of State Human Resources

The South Carolina Department of Administration
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From: Hall, Kristi L <klhall at spd.IN.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 11:08 AM
To: Mercado, Amanda <amanda.mercado at personnel.alabama.gov>; dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov
Subject: [External] Re: [NCASG] Attorney Series - Salary Survey Request

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Hi Amanda,

Attached is Indiana's response.  Please let me know if you have questions.

Thanks!



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Indiana State Personnel Department
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From: Mercado, Amanda <amanda.mercado at personnel.alabama.gov<mailto:amanda.mercado at personnel.alabama.gov>>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 5:00 PM
To: dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov<mailto:dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>
Subject: [NCASG] Attorney Series - Salary Survey Request

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Good afternoon,

The State of Alabama is currently reviewing our Attorney job classifications. We would like to obtain some information from other states to see how our jobs align.

Attached you will find the State of AL's job title, a brief description of each job class, and salary information. If possible, please provide your state's job match and salary information. You may also wish to attach a copy of your state's job description(s) for each job that you indicate as a benchmark.

I am asking that you please complete and return your responses to me by Thursday, April 6, 2023.

Any assistance you can provide is greatly appreciated. Please feel free to reach out with any questions!

Thank you!

Amanda W. Mercado | Classification & Pay Manager
Ph: (334) 353-4158
__________________________________________________________
State Personnel Department
300 Folsom Administrative Building
64 North Union Street
Montgomery, AL 36130
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From Compensation at das.ohio.gov  Tue Apr  4 12:18:06 2023
From: Compensation at das.ohio.gov (Compensation at das.ohio.gov)
Date: Tue, 4 Apr 2023 18:18:06 +0000
Subject: [NCASG] Attorney Series - Salary Survey Request
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Good afternoon,

Below is the State of Ohio Attorney classification series which includes illustrative job duties as well as minimum qualifications. I am also including the pay scale attachment for both the bargaining unit classifications and the exempt level classifications in this series.

Classification series - https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/gLpjC4x3vLtEAv59COteow?domain=das.ohio.gov

The following classification titles are assigned to the collective bargaining pay schedule:
Legal Intern
Law Clerk
Attorney 1
Attorney 2
Attorney 3

The following classification titles are assigned to the Exempt pay schedule:
Attorney 4
Attorney 5
Attorney 6
OCSEA collective bargaining pay schedule - https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/aQ07C5y4wLF3YD9piO0OtS?domain=das.ohio.gov
Exempt pay schedule - https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/3qOwC68Nx9U7lBm0CmpTkH?domain=das.ohio.gov

Best regards,

Rene? Norris
Classification and Compensation Manager
Office of Talent Management
State Human Resources Division
614-466-3517
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From: Hall, Kristi L <klhall at spd.IN.gov>
Sent: Tuesday, March 28, 2023 11:08 AM
To: Mercado, Amanda <amanda.mercado at personnel.alabama.gov>; dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov
Subject: Re: [NCASG] Attorney Series - Salary Survey Request

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________________________________
Hi Amanda,

Attached is Indiana's response.  Please let me know if you have questions.

Thanks!



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Kristi L. Hall, SPHR
Director of Compensation & Organizational Design
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From: Mercado, Amanda <amanda.mercado at personnel.alabama.gov<mailto:amanda.mercado at personnel.alabama.gov>>
Sent: Monday, March 27, 2023 5:00 PM
To: dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov<mailto:dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>
Subject: [NCASG] Attorney Series - Salary Survey Request

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Good afternoon,

The State of Alabama is currently reviewing our Attorney job classifications. We would like to obtain some information from other states to see how our jobs align.

Attached you will find the State of AL's job title, a brief description of each job class, and salary information. If possible, please provide your state's job match and salary information. You may also wish to attach a copy of your state's job description(s) for each job that you indicate as a benchmark.

I am asking that you please complete and return your responses to me by Thursday, April 6, 2023.

Any assistance you can provide is greatly appreciated. Please feel free to reach out with any questions!

Thank you!

Amanda W. Mercado | Classification & Pay Manager
Ph: (334) 353-4158
__________________________________________________________
State Personnel Department
300 Folsom Administrative Building
64 North Union Street
Montgomery, AL 36130
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From Christian.Temes at tn.gov  Thu Apr  6 14:39:11 2023
From: Christian.Temes at tn.gov (Christian Temes)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 20:39:11 +0000
Subject: [NCASG] Email List
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Good Afternoon,

I'm not sure who is now responsible for the administration of the NCASG list since Sheena left, but I am no longer responsible for NCASG matters for the State of Tennessee and I'd like to be removed from the email list, please.

Thank you very much, hope you have a great, long weekend!

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Kodi Temes - HR Program Manager
Organizational Performance and Data Management
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(615) 532-5023
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From terry.pickett at state.co.us  Thu Apr  6 15:32:58 2023
From: terry.pickett at state.co.us (Pickett - DPA, Terry)
Date: Thu, 6 Apr 2023 15:32:58 -0600
Subject: [NCASG] Email List
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Thank you Christian. We will get this taken care of for you.

*Terry Pickett*

*Compensation & Classification Analyst*


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*UPCOMING TIME OFF - * I will be out of the office on *Friday April 7, 2023*
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you!

*Just so you can plan ahead, I will be out of the office Thursday April
13th and Friday April 14th and back in the office on Monday April 17th.*

Please note, I recognize that each of us work in different ways. I want to
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me, I do not expect that you will read, respond or take action on this
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On Thu, Apr 6, 2023 at 2:40?PM Christian Temes <Christian.Temes at tn.gov>
wrote:

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> Good Afternoon,
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>
>
> I?m not sure who is now responsible for the administration of the NCASG
> list since Sheena left, but I am no longer responsible for NCASG matters
> for the State of Tennessee and I?d like to be removed from the email list,
> please.
>
>
>
> Thank you very much, hope you have a great, long weekend!
>
>
>
> Kodi Temes ? *HR Program Manager*
>
> *Organizational Performance and Data Management *
>
> Tennessee Tower, 16th Floor
>
> 312 Rosa L Parks Ave., Nashville, TN 37243
>
> (615) 532-5023
>
> christian.temes at tn.gov
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From Heidi.YOUNG at das.oregon.gov  Fri Apr  7 09:23:13 2023
From: Heidi.YOUNG at das.oregon.gov (YOUNG Heidi * DAS)
Date: Fri, 7 Apr 2023 15:23:13 +0000
Subject: [NCASG] OR - Clinical Supervision/Preceptor Pay
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Greetings -

The State of Oregon is looking to see if other states are paying a differential for employees performing clinical supervision, or preceptor duties, in the following licensed or registered occupations (or similar):

Art Therapist
Music Therapist
Occupational Therapist
Physical Therapist
Psychologist
Behavioral Health Specialist

If additional pay is given, please let us know how it is paid (hourly, flat-rate, percentage, etc.), how much is paid, and what the parameters for payments are.

Unfortunately, we have a short turn-around time to gather this information. If possible - a response before COB on Tuesday, April 11th would be much appreciated!

Thank you so much for your time!


Heidi Young
Classification & Compensation Consultant
Chief Human Resource Office
Department of Administrative Services
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From Janelle.Haynsworth at LA.GOV  Mon Apr 10 08:03:33 2023
From: Janelle.Haynsworth at LA.GOV (Janelle Haynsworth)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 14:03:33 +0000
Subject: [NCASG] NCASG Quarterly Meeting Agenda for 4-10-23
Message-ID: <3ba7ecb4ae05496b876957d472c82fef@LA.GOV>

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Hi,

Please see attached for the agenda for today's meeting at 1:30 pm CDT. If you need me to forward the zoom link for the meeting, let me know?


Thanks all,


Janelle Haynsworth, CCP
NCASG President
Louisiana State Civil Service
225.342.8266
janelle.haynsworth at la.gov<mailto:janelle.haynsworth at la.gov>

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From Compensation at das.ohio.gov  Mon Apr 10 08:17:38 2023
From: Compensation at das.ohio.gov (Compensation at das.ohio.gov)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 14:17:38 +0000
Subject: [NCASG] NCASG Quarterly Meeting Agenda for 4-10-23
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Good morning Janelle,

Yes please forward me the Zoom link. I will be able to attend until 1 PM EST but I am eager to be a part of these meetings.

Thank you,

Rene? Norris
Classification and Compensation Manager
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From: Janelle Haynsworth <Janelle.Haynsworth at LA.GOV>
Sent: Monday, April 10, 2023 10:04 AM
To: NCASG Surveys (dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov) <dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>
Subject: [NCASG] NCASG Quarterly Meeting Agenda for 4-10-23

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Please see attached for the agenda for today's meeting at 1:30 pm CDT. If you need me to forward the zoom link for the meeting, let me know?


Thanks all,


Janelle Haynsworth, CCP
NCASG President
Louisiana State Civil Service
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From terry.pickett at state.co.us  Mon Apr 10 09:55:23 2023
From: terry.pickett at state.co.us (Pickett - DPA, Terry)
Date: Mon, 10 Apr 2023 09:55:23 -0600
Subject: [NCASG] NCASG Quarterly Meeting Agenda for 4-10-23
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Good morning everyone. I have attached the minutes from January for your
review.
Happy Monday!

*Terry Pickett*

*Compensation & Classification Analyst*


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> Please see attached for the agenda for today?s meeting at 1:30 pm CDT. If
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> Thanks all,
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From Janelle.Haynsworth at LA.GOV  Fri Apr 14 08:47:41 2023
From: Janelle.Haynsworth at LA.GOV (Janelle Haynsworth)
Date: Fri, 14 Apr 2023 14:47:41 +0000
Subject: [NCASG] NCASG Quarterly Meeting (Save the Date)
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Save the date for our next NCASG Quarterly Meeting - agenda will be coming closer to the meeting date. Thanks all!

JANELLE HAYNSWORTH is inviting you to a scheduled Zoom meeting.

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From Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov  Thu Apr 20 20:37:14 2023
From: Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov (Bramonte, Guy [CSC])
Date: Fri, 21 Apr 2023 02:37:14 +0000
Subject: [NCASG] [EXTERNAL] Re: NCASG: Dropping College Degree for
	Various	Professional	Positions
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Hello NCASG Colleagues,

The State of NJ has officially jumped on this bandwagon.  Our Governor recently signed Executive Order No. 327 to prioritize work experience and skills training over formal education (e.g., bachelor's degree) for some State job opportunities.  We are currently reviewing our title plan to determine the best way to implement this.

Does anyone have a formal definition their agency uses for professional work experience?  Any information you can provide will be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.



Guy J. Bramonte

Supervisor, Classification & Compensation Unit

NJ Civil Service Commission

Phone: (609) 690-8054

Fax: (609) 777-0937

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From: Pine, Doug <Doug.Pine at vermont.gov>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 12:21 PM
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Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [NCASG] NCASG: Dropping College Degree for Various Professional Positions


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Hi Bill ?



We have no mandate yet although there are discussions in both our legislature and the administration. We actively advocate with our hiring managers to include work experience only options in lieu of or in addition to options that include postsecondary degrees. Since you are doing this research you probably have run across both of these resources but for others who may not have the 2017 article ?Dismissed by degrees? published by the Harvard Business School<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/XEv2Czpz4XUEQBEPH4IjEL?domain=urldefense.com> originally coined the term ?degree inflation? and it's probably the genesis for many of these efforts. More recently the same group published the emerging degree reset.<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/IT5ZCADlX1SBLoBmF8nEwO?domain=urldefense.com>



Douglas Pine, Ph.D., (he/him), Deputy Director, HR Operations

Talent Acquisition Services|Compensation|Workforce Analysis

Department of Human Resources

120 State Street, Montpelier, VT 05620-2505

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From: Davis, Bill (CS) <Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 3:58 PM
To: NCASG Surveys (dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov) <dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>
Subject: [NCASG] NCASG: Dropping College Degree for Various Professional Positions



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Dear Colleagues:



Employers are resetting minimum qualifications for a wide range of roles by dropping the requirement for a college degree for various professional positions. This is not only a private sector trend as states, including Pennsylvania<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/M2_2CJ6xKQUl3zl4upWYBo?domain=urldefense.com> (click on link for Executive Order) and Maryland, have removed four-year degree requirements for thousands of jobs.



The State of New York is conducting a review of its titles to determine those where a degree can be an alternative requirement. We would appreciate your sharing anything that your state is doing to have  an experience pathway for careers typically requiring a  degree. Please respond to my email at Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov<mailto:Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov> by 3/31/2023.



Sincerely,





Bill Davis
Manager Classification and Compensation



Department of Civil Service
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From terry.pickett at state.co.us  Mon Apr 24 07:56:17 2023
From: terry.pickett at state.co.us (Pickett - DPA, Terry)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 07:56:17 -0600
Subject: [NCASG] [EXTERNAL] Re: NCASG: Dropping College Degree for
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Colorado is not doing this. I do not think it is even a topic for
consideration right now.

*Terry Pickett*

*Compensation & Classification Analyst*


P. 303.866.4250~ F. 303.866.2021
1525 Sherman Street, #221B, Denver, CO 80203
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*UPCOMING TIME OFF - * I will be out of the office *I will be out of the
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April 24th. Enjoy your weekend everyone!*
 Thank you!

*Just so you can plan ahead, I will be out of the office Thursday April
13th and Friday April 14th and back in the office on Monday April 17th.*

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On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 8:38?PM Bramonte, Guy [CSC] <Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov>
wrote:

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> ------------------------------
> Hello NCASG Colleagues,
>
> The State of NJ has officially jumped on this bandwagon.  Our Governor
> recently signed Executive Order No. 327 to prioritize work experience and
> skills training over formal education (e.g., bachelor's degree) for some
> State job opportunities.  We are currently reviewing our title plan to
> determine the best way to implement this.
>
> Does anyone have a formal definition their agency uses for professional
> work experience?  Any information you can provide will be greatly
> appreciated.  Thank you.
>
>
> Guy J. Bramonte
>
> Supervisor, Classification & Compensation Unit
>
> NJ Civil Service Commission
>
> Phone: (609) 690-8054
>
> Fax: (609) 777-0937
>
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> ------------------------------
> *From:* Pine, Doug <Doug.Pine at vermont.gov>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2023 12:21 PM
> *To:* Davis, Bill (CS) <Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov>; NCASG Surveys (
> dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov) <
> dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [NCASG] NCASG: Dropping College Degree for
> Various Professional Positions
>
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> Hi Bill ?
>
>
>
> We have no mandate yet although there are discussions in both our
> legislature and the administration. We actively advocate with our hiring
> managers to include work experience only options in lieu of or in addition
> to options that include postsecondary degrees. Since you are doing this
> research you probably have run across both of these resources but for
> others who may not have the 2017 article ?Dismissed by degrees? published
> by the Harvard Business School
> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/PvtHCJ6xKQUlMRWpUG4Znm?domain=urldefense.com>
> originally coined the term ?degree inflation? and it's probably the genesis
> for many of these efforts. More recently the same group published the emerging
> degree reset.
> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/FO6LCKry7QCPply8c3Jmyi?domain=urldefense.com>
>
>
>
> Douglas Pine, Ph.D., (he/him), Deputy Director, HR Operations
>
> Talent Acquisition Services|Compensation|Workforce Analysis
>
> Department of Human Resources
>
> 120 State Street, Montpelier, VT 05620-2505
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> (802) 828 -1513 (voice)
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> *From:* Davis, Bill (CS) <Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2023 3:58 PM
> *To:* NCASG Surveys (dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov) <
> dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>
> *Subject:* [NCASG] NCASG: Dropping College Degree for Various
> Professional Positions
>
>
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Dear Colleagues:
>
>
>
> Employers are resetting minimum qualifications for a wide range of roles
> by dropping the requirement for a college degree for various professional
> positions. This is not only a private sector trend as states, including
> Pennsylvania
> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/Sov2CPNEKQC9VO1vFZtQCy?domain=urldefense.com>
> (click on link for Executive Order) and Maryland, have removed four-year
> degree requirements for thousands of jobs.
>
>
>
> The State of New York is conducting a review of its titles to determine
> those where a degree can be an alternative requirement. We would appreciate
> your sharing anything that your state is doing to have  an experience
> pathway for careers typically requiring a  degree. Please respond to my
> email at Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov by 3/31/2023.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
>
>
> *Bill Davis*
> Manager Classification and Compensation
>
>
>
> *Department of Civil Service*
> Empire State Plaza, Agency Building 1, Albany, NY 12239
>
> (518) 474-0949 | Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov
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From cspiess at pa.gov  Mon Apr 24 08:18:43 2023
From: cspiess at pa.gov (Spiess, Cristal)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 14:18:43 +0000
Subject: [NCASG] [EXTERNAL] Re: NCASG: Dropping College Degree for
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We are making good progress on our project for Governor Shapiro?s Executive Order 2023-03. Most SMEs we meet with are supportive of removing bachelor?s degree requirements for professional jobs since we are not lowering the METs overall. We have also been adding related paraprofessional and technical experience options, where appropriate, to allow non-degree candidates to qualify for professional jobs.

We have always used the definition of professional work from Act 195 (see attached for our definitions of work).

Cristal Spiess | Manager, Classification Plan Management Division
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Phone: 717.705.5574
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From: Pickett - DPA, Terry <terry.pickett at state.co.us>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2023 9:56 AM
To: Bramonte, Guy [CSC] <Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov>
Cc: NCASG Surveys (dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov) <dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>
Subject: Re: [NCASG] [EXTERNAL] Re: NCASG: Dropping College Degree for Various Professional Positions

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________________________________
Colorado is not doing this. I do not think it is even a topic for consideration right now.
Terry Pickett
Compensation & Classification Analyst
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On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 8:38?PM Bramonte, Guy [CSC] <Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov<mailto:Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov>> wrote:
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________________________________
Hello NCASG Colleagues,

The State of NJ has officially jumped on this bandwagon.  Our Governor recently signed Executive Order No. 327 to prioritize work experience and skills training over formal education (e.g., bachelor's degree) for some State job opportunities.  We are currently reviewing our title plan to determine the best way to implement this.

Does anyone have a formal definition their agency uses for professional work experience?  Any information you can provide will be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.



Guy J. Bramonte

Supervisor, Classification & Compensation Unit

NJ Civil Service Commission

Phone: (609) 690-8054

Fax: (609) 777-0937

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________________________________
From: Pine, Doug <Doug.Pine at vermont.gov<mailto:Doug.Pine at vermont.gov>>
Sent: Monday, March 20, 2023 12:21 PM
To: Davis, Bill (CS) <Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov<mailto:Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov>>; NCASG Surveys (dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov<mailto:dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>) <dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov<mailto:dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [NCASG] NCASG: Dropping College Degree for Various Professional Positions


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________________________________

Hi Bill ?



We have no mandate yet although there are discussions in both our legislature and the administration. We actively advocate with our hiring managers to include work experience only options in lieu of or in addition to options that include postsecondary degrees. Since you are doing this research you probably have run across both of these resources but for others who may not have the 2017 article ?Dismissed by degrees? published by the Harvard Business School<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/v0XEC31XrwuoNOxOTY8M4k?domain=urldefense.com> originally coined the term ?degree inflation? and it's probably the genesis for many of these efforts. More recently the same group published the emerging degree reset.<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/sA1FC4x3vLtEkq6qTNXDnR?domain=urldefense.com>



Douglas Pine, Ph.D., (he/him), Deputy Director, HR Operations

Talent Acquisition Services|Compensation|Workforce Analysis

Department of Human Resources

120 State Street, Montpelier, VT 05620-2505

(802) 828 -1513 (voice)



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From: Davis, Bill (CS) <Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov<mailto:Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov>>
Sent: Monday, March 13, 2023 3:58 PM
To: NCASG Surveys (dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov<mailto:dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>) <dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov<mailto:dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>>
Subject: [NCASG] NCASG: Dropping College Degree for Various Professional Positions



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________________________________

Dear Colleagues:



Employers are resetting minimum qualifications for a wide range of roles by dropping the requirement for a college degree for various professional positions. This is not only a private sector trend as states, including Pennsylvania<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/T3_OC9rNAgCA7DxDF2-_KJ?domain=urldefense.com> (click on link for Executive Order) and Maryland, have removed four-year degree requirements for thousands of jobs.



The State of New York is conducting a review of its titles to determine those where a degree can be an alternative requirement. We would appreciate your sharing anything that your state is doing to have  an experience pathway for careers typically requiring a  degree. Please respond to my email at Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov<mailto:Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov> by 3/31/2023.



Sincerely,





Bill Davis
Manager Classification and Compensation



Department of Civil Service
Empire State Plaza, Agency Building 1, Albany, NY 12239

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From meghan.connor2 at wyo.gov  Mon Apr 24 09:01:20 2023
From: meghan.connor2 at wyo.gov (Meghan Connor)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 09:01:20 -0600
Subject: [NCASG] [EXTERNAL] Re: NCASG: Dropping College Degree for
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Good morning,

In Wyoming our jobs all have an experience substitution for minimum
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Thanks,

Meghan


On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 7:57?AM Pickett - DPA, Terry <
terry.pickett at state.co.us> wrote:

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> ------------------------------
> Colorado is not doing this. I do not think it is even a topic for
> consideration right now.
>
> *Terry Pickett*
>
> *Compensation & Classification Analyst*
>
>
> P. 303.866.4250~ F. 303.866.2021
> 1525 Sherman Street, #221B, Denver, CO 80203
> terry.pickett at state.co.us ~ https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/YlgTC9rNAgCA7j0jhoeu9U?domain=colorado.gov
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>
> *UPCOMING TIME OFF - * I will be out of the office *I will be out of the
> office Friday April 21st on my flex day and back in the office on Monday
> April 24th. Enjoy your weekend everyone!*
>  Thank you!
>
> *Just so you can plan ahead, I will be out of the office Thursday April
> 13th and Friday April 14th and back in the office on Monday April 17th.*
>
> Please note, I recognize that each of us work in different ways. I want
> to respect your time, while I have sent this email at a time that works for
> me, I do not expect that you will read, respond or take action on this
> outside your normal work hours.
>
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> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 8:38?PM Bramonte, Guy [CSC] <
> Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov> wrote:
>
>> * CAUTION: This email originated outside the State of Idaho network.
>> Verify links and attachments BEFORE you click or open, even if you
>> recognize and/or trust the sender. Contact your agency service desk with
>> any concerns. *
>> ------------------------------
>> Hello NCASG Colleagues,
>>
>> The State of NJ has officially jumped on this bandwagon.  Our Governor
>> recently signed Executive Order No. 327 to prioritize work experience and
>> skills training over formal education (e.g., bachelor's degree) for some
>> State job opportunities.  We are currently reviewing our title plan to
>> determine the best way to implement this.
>>
>> Does anyone have a formal definition their agency uses for professional
>> work experience?  Any information you can provide will be greatly
>> appreciated.  Thank you.
>>
>>
>> Guy J. Bramonte
>>
>> Supervisor, Classification & Compensation Unit
>>
>> NJ Civil Service Commission
>>
>> Phone: (609) 690-8054
>>
>> Fax: (609) 777-0937
>>
>> *Confidentiality Notice*: This e-mail, including any attachments, may
>> include advisory, consultative and/or deliberative material and, if so, is
>> privileged and/or confidential and not a public document. Any information
>> in this e-mail identifying an employee subject to the jurisdiction of the
>> Civil Service Commission is confidential. If you received this e-mail in
>> error, you are not authorized to review, transmit, convert to hard copy,
>> copy, or in any way further use or disseminate this e-mail or any
>> attachments to it. You must immediately notify the sender and delete this
>> message. If the email you received in error contained protected employee
>> information, you must also notify CSC?s Privacy Officer, Patricia Todd,
>> immediately at patricia.todd at csc.nj.gov, confirming in writing that you
>> deleted the email(s)/attachment(s) and that you did not/will not further
>> use or disclose the information contained in the email.
>>
>> ------------------------------
>> *From:* Pine, Doug <Doug.Pine at vermont.gov>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2023 12:21 PM
>> *To:* Davis, Bill (CS) <Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov>; NCASG Surveys (
>> dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov) <
>> dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>
>> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [NCASG] NCASG: Dropping College Degree for
>> Various Professional Positions
>>
>>
>> * CAUTION: This email originated outside the State of Idaho network.
>> Verify links and attachments BEFORE you click or open, even if you
>> recognize and/or trust the sender. Contact your agency service desk with
>> any concerns. *
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Hi Bill ?
>>
>>
>>
>> We have no mandate yet although there are discussions in both our
>> legislature and the administration. We actively advocate with our hiring
>> managers to include work experience only options in lieu of or in addition
>> to options that include postsecondary degrees. Since you are doing this
>> research you probably have run across both of these resources but for
>> others who may not have the 2017 article ?Dismissed by degrees? published
>> by the Harvard Business School
>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/l0obC0R7oLfQPzxzTDJDnT?domain=urldefense.com>
>> originally coined the term ?degree inflation? and it's probably the genesis
>> for many of these efforts. More recently the same group published the emerging
>> degree reset.
>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/QYXaCgJED2CKQJ3Jc2NwhA?domain=urldefense.com>
>>
>>
>>
>> Douglas Pine, Ph.D., (he/him), Deputy Director, HR Operations
>>
>> Talent Acquisition Services|Compensation|Workforce Analysis
>>
>> Department of Human Resources
>>
>> 120 State Street, Montpelier, VT 05620-2505
>>
>> (802) 828 -1513 (voice)
>>
>>
>>
>> *https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/Ph8UCjRKg8fDN0r0S7NAyX?domain=humanresources.vermont.gov
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>>
>> *careers.vermont.gov
>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/ru7HClYgk7Im4lrlTYY-zY?domain=urldefense.com>*
>>
>> *Find Me on LinkedIn
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>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> *From:* Davis, Bill (CS) <Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov>
>> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2023 3:58 PM
>> *To:* NCASG Surveys (dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov) <
>> dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>
>> *Subject:* [NCASG] NCASG: Dropping College Degree for Various
>> Professional Positions
>>
>>
>>
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>>
>> ------------------------------
>>
>> Dear Colleagues:
>>
>>
>>
>> Employers are resetting minimum qualifications for a wide range of roles
>> by dropping the requirement for a college degree for various professional
>> positions. This is not only a private sector trend as states, including
>> Pennsylvania
>> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/gY-QCn5kmOfgBVEVI0Wz88?domain=urldefense.com>
>> (click on link for Executive Order) and Maryland, have removed four-year
>> degree requirements for thousands of jobs.
>>
>>
>>
>> The State of New York is conducting a review of its titles to determine
>> those where a degree can be an alternative requirement. We would appreciate
>> your sharing anything that your state is doing to have  an experience
>> pathway for careers typically requiring a  degree. Please respond to my
>> email at Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov by 3/31/2023.
>>
>>
>>
>> Sincerely,
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> *Bill Davis*
>> Manager Classification and Compensation
>>
>>
>>
>> *Department of Civil Service*
>> Empire State Plaza, Agency Building 1, Albany, NY 12239
>>
>> (518) 474-0949 | Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov
>>
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From travis.butchart at azdoa.gov  Mon Apr 24 09:28:22 2023
From: travis.butchart at azdoa.gov (Travis Butchart)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 08:28:22 -0700
Subject: [NCASG] [EXTERNAL] Re: NCASG: Dropping College Degree for
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Arizona's governor signed this bill
<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/LZlsCM8AK1UDmynvIwokCf?domain=azgovernor.us21.list-manage.com>
a couple of weeks ago which tasks my department with identifying jobs
suitable to be filled by applicants who could be "skilled through
alternative routes" besides a bachelor's degree.
Thanks,
Travis



*Travis Butchart*Classification & Compensation Manager
ADOA Human Resources Division | State of Arizona
p: 602.542.0220 c: 480.297.4864 | travis.butchart at azdoa.gov


On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 7:20?AM Spiess, Cristal <cspiess at pa.gov> wrote:

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> Verify links and attachments BEFORE you click or open, even if you
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> any concerns. *
> ------------------------------
>
> We are making good progress on our project for Governor Shapiro?s
> Executive Order 2023-03. Most SMEs we meet with are supportive of removing
> bachelor?s degree requirements for professional jobs since we are not
> lowering the METs overall. We have also been adding related
> paraprofessional and technical experience options, where appropriate, to
> allow non-degree candidates to qualify for professional jobs.
>
>
>
> We have always used the definition of professional work from Act 195 (see
> attached for our definitions of work).
>
>
>
> *Cristal Spiess* | Manager, Classification Plan Management Division
>
> PA Office of Administration | Bureau of Organization Management
>
> 519 Finance Building | 613 North Street | Hbg PA 17120
>
> Phone: 717.705.5574
>
> E-mail: cspiess at pa.gov
>
> https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/7YbrCNkBK0UJyqgwF4DXBM?domain=oa.pa.gov
>
>
>
> *From:* Pickett - DPA, Terry <terry.pickett at state.co.us>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2023 9:56 AM
> *To:* Bramonte, Guy [CSC] <Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov>
> *Cc:* NCASG Surveys (dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov) <
> dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>
> *Subject:* Re: [NCASG] [EXTERNAL] Re: NCASG: Dropping College Degree for
> Various Professional Positions
>
>
>
> *CAUTION: **This email originated outside the State of Idaho network.
> Verify links and attachments BEFORE you click or open, even if you
> recognize and/or trust the sender. Contact your agency service desk with
> any concerns. *
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Colorado is not doing this. I do not think it is even a topic for
> consideration right now.
>
> *Terry Pickett*
>
> *Compensation & Classification Analyst
>                                                            *
>
> P. 303.866.4250~ F. 303.866.2021
>
> 1525 Sherman Street, #221B, Denver, CO 80203
>
> terry.pickett at state.co.us ~ https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/9IAMCOYDX8IlQLBEIk4yTc?domain=colorado.gov
>
> DPA values: Service | Teamwork | Integrity | Responsiveness | Transparency
>
>
>
> *UPCOMING TIME OFF - * I will be out of the office *I will be out of the
> office Friday April 21st on my flex day and back in the office on Monday
> April 24th. Enjoy your weekend everyone!*
>  Thank you!
>
>
>
> *Just so you can plan ahead, I will be out of the office Thursday April
> 13th and Friday April 14th and back in the office on Monday April 17th.*
>
>
>
> *Please note**, I recognize that each of us work in different ways. I
> want to respect your time, while I have sent this email at a time that
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>
>
>
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>
> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 8:38?PM Bramonte, Guy [CSC] <
> Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov> wrote:
>
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>
> ------------------------------
>
> Hello NCASG Colleagues,
>
>
>
> The State of NJ has officially jumped on this bandwagon.  Our Governor
> recently signed Executive Order No. 327 to prioritize work experience and
> skills training over formal education (e.g., bachelor's degree) for some
> State job opportunities.  We are currently reviewing our title plan to
> determine the best way to implement this.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a formal definition their agency uses for professional
> work experience?  Any information you can provide will be greatly
> appreciated.  Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
> Guy J. Bramonte
>
> Supervisor, Classification & Compensation Unit
>
> NJ Civil Service Commission
>
> Phone: (609) 690-8054
>
> Fax: (609) 777-0937
>
>
>
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> attachments to it. You must immediately notify the sender and delete this
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> information, you must also notify CSC?s Privacy Officer, Patricia Todd,
> immediately at patricia.todd at csc.nj.gov, confirming in writing that you
> deleted the email(s)/attachment(s) and that you did not/will not further
> use or disclose the information contained in the email.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> *From:* Pine, Doug <Doug.Pine at vermont.gov>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2023 12:21 PM
> *To:* Davis, Bill (CS) <Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov>; NCASG Surveys (
> dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov) <
> dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>
> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [NCASG] NCASG: Dropping College Degree for
> Various Professional Positions
>
>
>
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>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Hi Bill ?
>
>
>
> We have no mandate yet although there are discussions in both our
> legislature and the administration. We actively advocate with our hiring
> managers to include work experience only options in lieu of or in addition
> to options that include postsecondary degrees. Since you are doing this
> research you probably have run across both of these resources but for
> others who may not have the 2017 article ?Dismissed by degrees? published
> by the Harvard Business School
> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/B_oBCPNEKQC9V1LJFjrOsN?domain=urldefense.com>
> originally coined the term ?degree inflation? and it's probably the genesis
> for many of these efforts. More recently the same group published the emerging
> degree reset.
> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/qIs9CQWGK7IgZ1wJhrsnCx?domain=urldefense.com>
>
>
>
> Douglas Pine, Ph.D., (he/him), Deputy Director, HR Operations
>
> Talent Acquisition Services|Compensation|Workforce Analysis
>
> Department of Human Resources
>
> 120 State Street, Montpelier, VT 05620-2505
>
> (802) 828 -1513 (voice)
>
>
>
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> *careers.vermont.gov
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>
> *Find Me on LinkedIn
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>
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>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Davis, Bill (CS) <Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2023 3:58 PM
> *To:* NCASG Surveys (dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov) <
> dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>
> *Subject:* [NCASG] NCASG: Dropping College Degree for Various
> Professional Positions
>
>
>
> *EXTERNAL SENDER: Do not open attachments or click on links unless you
> recognize and trust the sender.*
>
> *CAUTION: **This email originated outside the State of Idaho network.
> Verify links and attachments BEFORE you click or open, even if you
> recognize and/or trust the sender. Contact your agency service desk with
> any concerns. *
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Dear Colleagues:
>
>
>
> Employers are resetting minimum qualifications for a wide range of roles
> by dropping the requirement for a college degree for various professional
> positions. This is not only a private sector trend as states, including
> Pennsylvania
> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/7NwCCYEmY5UmBWyjTwuB20?domain=urldefense.com>
> (click on link for Executive Order) and Maryland, have removed four-year
> degree requirements for thousands of jobs.
>
>
>
> The State of New York is conducting a review of its titles to determine
> those where a degree can be an alternative requirement. We would appreciate
> your sharing anything that your state is doing to have  an experience
> pathway for careers typically requiring a  degree. Please respond to my
> email at Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov by 3/31/2023.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
>
>
> *Bill Davis*
> Manager Classification and Compensation
>
>
>
> *Department of Civil Service*
> Empire State Plaza, Agency Building 1, Albany, NY 12239
>
> (518) 474-0949 | Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov
>
> https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/91hxCZ6nG0UABqWXImCDAK?domain=cs.ny.gov
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From kate.orozco at alaska.gov  Mon Apr 24 11:27:17 2023
From: kate.orozco at alaska.gov (Orozco, Kate L (DOA))
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 17:27:17 +0000
Subject: [NCASG] [EXTERNAL] Re: NCASG: Dropping College Degree for
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Alaska is reviewing job classes that currently require a 4-year degree to assess which classes are most suitable for competency based MQs. We have been converting select job classes to comp based MQs for the last couple of years, but an Executive Order issued by our Governor in February is driving a larger scale effort to convert as many classes as feasible. Administrative Order No. 343 - Mike Dunleavy (alaska.gov)<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/ohL9CVOj2QimQ6z4SG0rr8?domain=gov.alaska.gov> Agencies have been asked to identify priority job classes for conversion as we get this effort moving.

Thanks,
KATE OROZCO
Classification Manager
Division of Personnel & Labor Relations
Alaska Department of Administration

Phone: 907.465.4074
Website: https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/BCSgCW60KqUZoKNpix3E-o?domain=doa.alaska.gov


From: Travis Butchart <travis.butchart at azdoa.gov>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2023 7:28 AM
To: Spiess, Cristal <cspiess at pa.gov>
Cc: NCASG Surveys (dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov) <dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>
Subject: Re: [NCASG] [EXTERNAL] Re: NCASG: Dropping College Degree for Various Professional Positions

You don't often get email from travis.butchart at azdoa.gov<mailto:travis.butchart at azdoa.gov>. Learn why this is important<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/RiHGCXDlX5SjrRk6sDaKoG?domain=aka.ms>


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________________________________
Arizona's governor signed this bill<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/e9IRCYEmY5UmBqj0SVlqcr?domain=azgovernor.us21.list-manage.com> a couple of weeks ago which tasks my department with identifying jobs suitable to be filled by applicants who could be "skilled through alternative routes" besides a bachelor's degree.
Thanks,
Travis


Travis Butchart
Classification & Compensation Manager
ADOA Human Resources Division | State of Arizona
p: 602.542.0220 c: 480.297.4864 | travis.butchart at azdoa.gov<mailto:travis.butchart at azdoa.gov>


On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 7:20?AM Spiess, Cristal <cspiess at pa.gov<mailto:cspiess at pa.gov>> wrote:
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________________________________
We are making good progress on our project for Governor Shapiro?s Executive Order 2023-03. Most SMEs we meet with are supportive of removing bachelor?s degree requirements for professional jobs since we are not lowering the METs overall. We have also been adding related paraprofessional and technical experience options, where appropriate, to allow non-degree candidates to qualify for professional jobs.

We have always used the definition of professional work from Act 195 (see attached for our definitions of work).

Cristal Spiess | Manager, Classification Plan Management Division
PA Office of Administration | Bureau of Organization Management
519 Finance Building | 613 North Street | Hbg PA 17120
Phone: 717.705.5574
E-mail: cspiess at pa.gov<mailto:cspiess at pa.gov>
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From: Pickett - DPA, Terry <terry.pickett at state.co.us<mailto:terry.pickett at state.co.us>>
Sent: Monday, April 24, 2023 9:56 AM
To: Bramonte, Guy [CSC] <Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov<mailto:Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov>>
Cc: NCASG Surveys (dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov<mailto:dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>) <dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov<mailto:dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>>
Subject: Re: [NCASG] [EXTERNAL] Re: NCASG: Dropping College Degree for Various Professional Positions

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________________________________
Colorado is not doing this. I do not think it is even a topic for consideration right now.
Terry Pickett
Compensation & Classification Analyst
[https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/lXcfC2kNqWUWyX0xfXzYwn?domain=ci3.googleusercontent.com]
P. 303.866.4250~ F. 303.866.2021
1525 Sherman Street, #221B, Denver, CO 80203
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<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/jKrlC4x3vLtEkORji3Woyx?domain=colorado.gov>
DPA values: Service | Teamwork | Integrity | Responsiveness | Transparency

UPCOMING TIME OFF -  I will be out of the office I will be out of the office Friday April 21st on my flex day and back in the office on Monday April 24th. Enjoy your weekend everyone!
 Thank you!

Just so you can plan ahead, I will be out of the office Thursday April 13th and Friday April 14th and back in the office on Monday April 17th.

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On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 8:38?PM Bramonte, Guy [CSC] <Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov<mailto:Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov>> wrote:
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Hello NCASG Colleagues,

The State of NJ has officially jumped on this bandwagon.  Our Governor recently signed Executive Order No. 327 to prioritize work experience and skills training over formal education (e.g., bachelor's degree) for some State job opportunities.  We are currently reviewing our title plan to determine the best way to implement this.

Does anyone have a formal definition their agency uses for professional work experience?  Any information you can provide will be greatly appreciated.  Thank you.



Guy J. Bramonte

Supervisor, Classification & Compensation Unit

NJ Civil Service Commission

Phone: (609) 690-8054

Fax: (609) 777-0937

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To: Davis, Bill (CS) <Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov<mailto:Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov>>; NCASG Surveys (dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov<mailto:dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>) <dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov<mailto:dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov>>
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Hi Bill ?



We have no mandate yet although there are discussions in both our legislature and the administration. We actively advocate with our hiring managers to include work experience only options in lieu of or in addition to options that include postsecondary degrees. Since you are doing this research you probably have run across both of these resources but for others who may not have the 2017 article ?Dismissed by degrees? published by the Harvard Business School<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/WgPvC68Nx9U7wvZ3ivxScP?domain=urldefense.com> originally coined the term ?degree inflation? and it's probably the genesis for many of these efforts. More recently the same group published the emerging degree reset.<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/3_47C730yXh27KnPtPhwX4?domain=urldefense.com>



Douglas Pine, Ph.D., (he/him), Deputy Director, HR Operations

Talent Acquisition Services|Compensation|Workforce Analysis

Department of Human Resources

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Subject: [NCASG] NCASG: Dropping College Degree for Various Professional Positions



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Dear Colleagues:



Employers are resetting minimum qualifications for a wide range of roles by dropping the requirement for a college degree for various professional positions. This is not only a private sector trend as states, including Pennsylvania<https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/RNxxCjRKg8fDNXZ6uEi-7v?domain=urldefense.com> (click on link for Executive Order) and Maryland, have removed four-year degree requirements for thousands of jobs.



The State of New York is conducting a review of its titles to determine those where a degree can be an alternative requirement. We would appreciate your sharing anything that your state is doing to have  an experience pathway for careers typically requiring a  degree. Please respond to my email at Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov<mailto:Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov> by 3/31/2023.



Sincerely,





Bill Davis
Manager Classification and Compensation



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From wendy.a.mays at wv.gov  Mon Apr 24 11:34:17 2023
From: wendy.a.mays at wv.gov (Mays, Wendy A)
Date: Mon, 24 Apr 2023 13:34:17 -0400
Subject: [NCASG] [EXTERNAL] Re: NCASG: Dropping College Degree for
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This is more a general statement and question.  Here in WV, we have
classifications that require a 4 year degree, and most of them have a work
substitution.  Are you guys looking at completely eliminating the degree or
are you adding in work substitutions?  If you are eliminating degrees what
happens if someone has a degree and no work experience?    Just trying to
get a feel for the trend.

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> Alaska is reviewing job classes that currently require a 4-year degree to
> assess which classes are most suitable for competency based MQs. We have
> been converting select job classes to comp based MQs for the last couple of
> years, but an Executive Order issued by our Governor in February is driving
> a larger scale effort to convert as many classes as feasible. Administrative
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> *KATE OROZCO*
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> Arizona's governor signed this bill
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> a couple of weeks ago which tasks my department with identifying jobs
> suitable to be filled by applicants who could be "skilled through
> alternative routes" besides a bachelor's degree.
>
> Thanks,
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> Travis
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> We are making good progress on our project for Governor Shapiro?s
> Executive Order 2023-03. Most SMEs we meet with are supportive of removing
> bachelor?s degree requirements for professional jobs since we are not
> lowering the METs overall. We have also been adding related
> paraprofessional and technical experience options, where appropriate, to
> allow non-degree candidates to qualify for professional jobs.
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> We have always used the definition of professional work from Act 195 (see
> attached for our definitions of work).
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> *Cristal Spiess* | Manager, Classification Plan Management Division
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> *From:* Pickett - DPA, Terry <terry.pickett at state.co.us>
> *Sent:* Monday, April 24, 2023 9:56 AM
> *To:* Bramonte, Guy [CSC] <Guy.Bramonte at csc.nj.gov>
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> Colorado is not doing this. I do not think it is even a topic for
> consideration right now.
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> *Terry Pickett*
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> Hello NCASG Colleagues,
>
>
>
> The State of NJ has officially jumped on this bandwagon.  Our Governor
> recently signed Executive Order No. 327 to prioritize work experience and
> skills training over formal education (e.g., bachelor's degree) for some
> State job opportunities.  We are currently reviewing our title plan to
> determine the best way to implement this.
>
>
>
> Does anyone have a formal definition their agency uses for professional
> work experience?  Any information you can provide will be greatly
> appreciated.  Thank you.
>
>
>
>
>
> Guy J. Bramonte
>
> Supervisor, Classification & Compensation Unit
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> NJ Civil Service Commission
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> *From:* Pine, Doug <Doug.Pine at vermont.gov>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2023 12:21 PM
> *To:* Davis, Bill (CS) <Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov>; NCASG Surveys (
> dhr_ncasg_survey_list at admws.idaho.gov) <
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> Hi Bill ?
>
>
>
> We have no mandate yet although there are discussions in both our
> legislature and the administration. We actively advocate with our hiring
> managers to include work experience only options in lieu of or in addition
> to options that include postsecondary degrees. Since you are doing this
> research you probably have run across both of these resources but for
> others who may not have the 2017 article ?Dismissed by degrees? published
> by the Harvard Business School
> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/pq7VCR6JK1UoZ1WYUQ-TMx?domain=urldefense.com>
> originally coined the term ?degree inflation? and it's probably the genesis
> for many of these efforts. More recently the same group published the emerging
> degree reset.
> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/V5LPCVOj2QimQ6yBSEjgpD?domain=urldefense.com>
>
>
>
> Douglas Pine, Ph.D., (he/him), Deputy Director, HR Operations
>
> Talent Acquisition Services|Compensation|Workforce Analysis
>
> Department of Human Resources
>
> 120 State Street, Montpelier, VT 05620-2505
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> (802) 828 -1513 (voice)
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> *Subject:* [NCASG] NCASG: Dropping College Degree for Various
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> ------------------------------
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> Dear Colleagues:
>
>
>
> Employers are resetting minimum qualifications for a wide range of roles
> by dropping the requirement for a college degree for various professional
> positions. This is not only a private sector trend as states, including
> Pennsylvania
> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/pENNC1wNp4uxWoGgh41kte?domain=urldefense.com>
> (click on link for Executive Order) and Maryland, have removed four-year
> degree requirements for thousands of jobs.
>
>
>
> The State of New York is conducting a review of its titles to determine
> those where a degree can be an alternative requirement. We would appreciate
> your sharing anything that your state is doing to have  an experience
> pathway for careers typically requiring a  degree. Please respond to my
> email at Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov by 3/31/2023.
>
>
>
> Sincerely,
>
>
>
>
>
> *Bill Davis*
> Manager Classification and Compensation
>
>
>
> *Department of Civil Service*
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From Geno.Adams at state.sd.us  Fri Apr 28 08:11:19 2023
From: Geno.Adams at state.sd.us (Adams, Geno)
Date: Fri, 28 Apr 2023 14:11:19 +0000
Subject: [NCASG] Medicaid Director Positions
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Good morning,

Does anyone have any information they could pass on to us related to pay structures of executive teams for Social Services or Human Services agencies within your states? We are particularly interested in pay rates for Medicaid Directors and how their pay rates compare with other executive team members within their agencies.

Any insight would be much appreciated!

Thanks!



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