[NCASG] [EXTERNAL] Re: NCASG: Dropping College Degree for Various Professional Positions

Mon Apr 24 09:28:22 MDT 2023

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Arizona's governor signed this bill
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a couple of weeks ago which tasks my department with identifying jobs
suitable to be filled by applicants who could be "skilled through
alternative routes" besides a bachelor's degree.
Thanks,
Travis

*Travis Butchart*Classification & Compensation Manager
ADOA Human Resources Division | State of Arizona
p: 602.542.0220 c: 480.297.4864 | travis.butchart at azdoa.gov

On Mon, Apr 24, 2023 at 7:20 AM Spiess, Cristal <cspiess at pa.gov> wrote:

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> We are making good progress on our project for Governor Shapiro’s
> Executive Order 2023-03. Most SMEs we meet with are supportive of removing
> bachelor’s degree requirements for professional jobs since we are not
> lowering the METs overall. We have also been adding related
> paraprofessional and technical experience options, where appropriate, to
> allow non-degree candidates to qualify for professional jobs.
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> *From:* Pickett - DPA, Terry <terry.pickett at state.co.us>
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> *Subject:* Re: [NCASG] [EXTERNAL] Re: NCASG: Dropping College Degree for
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> Colorado is not doing this. I do not think it is even a topic for
> consideration right now.
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> *Terry Pickett*
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> On Thu, Apr 20, 2023 at 8:38 PM Bramonte, Guy [CSC] <
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> Hello NCASG Colleagues,
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> The State of NJ has officially jumped on this bandwagon.  Our Governor
> recently signed Executive Order No. 327 to prioritize work experience and
> skills training over formal education (e.g., bachelor's degree) for some
> State job opportunities.  We are currently reviewing our title plan to
> determine the best way to implement this.
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> Does anyone have a formal definition their agency uses for professional
> work experience?  Any information you can provide will be greatly
> appreciated.  Thank you.
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> Guy J. Bramonte
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> Supervisor, Classification & Compensation Unit
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> *From:* Pine, Doug <Doug.Pine at vermont.gov>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 20, 2023 12:21 PM
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> *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [NCASG] NCASG: Dropping College Degree for
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> Hi Bill –
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> We have no mandate yet although there are discussions in both our
> legislature and the administration. We actively advocate with our hiring
> managers to include work experience only options in lieu of or in addition
> to options that include postsecondary degrees. Since you are doing this
> research you probably have run across both of these resources but for
> others who may not have the 2017 article “Dismissed by degrees” published
> by the Harvard Business School
> <https://protect-us.mimecast.com/s/B_oBCPNEKQC9V1LJFjrOsN?domain=urldefense.com>
> originally coined the term “degree inflation” and it's probably the genesis
> for many of these efforts. More recently the same group published the emerging
> degree reset.
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> Douglas Pine, Ph.D., (he/him), Deputy Director, HR Operations
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> *From:* Davis, Bill (CS) <Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov>
> *Sent:* Monday, March 13, 2023 3:58 PM
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> Dear Colleagues:
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> Employers are resetting minimum qualifications for a wide range of roles
> by dropping the requirement for a college degree for various professional
> positions. This is not only a private sector trend as states, including
> Pennsylvania
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> (click on link for Executive Order) and Maryland, have removed four-year
> degree requirements for thousands of jobs.
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> The State of New York is conducting a review of its titles to determine
> those where a degree can be an alternative requirement. We would appreciate
> your sharing anything that your state is doing to have  an experience
> pathway for careers typically requiring a  degree. Please respond to my
> email at Bill.Davis at cs.ny.gov by 3/31/2023.
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> Sincerely,
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> *Bill Davis*
> Manager Classification and Compensation
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